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Welcome to Undoing. Women on the Thresh in the Journey and Beyond. I'm your host, Jeanie Duncan. This is a space for the brave and the becoming. Women who are redefining success, power, and purpose on their own terms. Each week we step into honest, unguarded conversations with women who have dared to pause, pivot, or completely unravel what no longer fits. These are women who are standing at the threshold. They're deep in the messy middle, and they're emerging with something truer, deeper, and more aligned than what came before. Together, we explore what happens when we let go of old identities, untangle the narratives we've inherited, and choose to trust the parts of us that are still taking shape. Because courage isn't about holding everything together, it's about letting yourself unravel so what's real can rise. This is Undoing. I'm so glad you're here. Hi everyone. My guest today on Undoing has spent her career helping leaders find their footing through boardrooms, team development, and alongside horses. Jenny Talago is a leadership consultant, coach, and founder of the Collaboration Partners, where she works with everyone from emerging leaders to the C-suite. She also serves in senior facilitator and master trainer roles, both past and present, with Teaching Horse and the Equine Experiential Education Association, where she guides leaders through some of the most powerful leadership work happening today. But the credential that matters most isn't found on her resume. It came the day Jenny ended up in the hospital. From stress she'd been absorbing in silence, inside a culture that had turned toxic at a job she genuinely loved. It took that wake-up call and some unfiltered feedback from a horse named Wager for her to see how deeply her need for approval had shaped what she was willing to tolerate. Leaving that job meant unraveling old stories about who she was and building something truer in its place. This is a conversation about body wisdom, about the cost of silence, and about what becomes possible when we finally stop negotiating with our own knowing. Hi, Jenny Talego. Thank you for joining me on Undoing today.

SPEAKER_00 2:18

I am very excited to be here and be in this conversation with you.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

It's like the the juiciest part of my day and probably my week. Oh well, you know, I have to share with you that as I as I'm beginning this podcast, Undoing, you immediately came to mind. I just feel so fortunate that our paths crossed a few years ago. And this show is all about the journey to knowing and living your most true self in the world. And when I met you, I saw that in action. I could sense your deep genuineness, how real you are. And I've had a chance of seeing Jenny not only interacting with people, but also these amazing creatures of horses and our clients that we've worked together. And as we know, horses are masters at revealing truths.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

True. True story.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

And what impresses me most about you, Jenny, is not not only what you've built, but also what you've let go of along the way in your life journey and the parts of it that I know. Um undoing is all about the truth journey of bold, brave women. And Jenny, I know there are many moments that you could share with our listeners, but what feels especially relevant to you today?

SPEAKER_00 3:41

Thank you, Jeannie, for those incredibly kind words that starts my heart out right now, just feeling real gratitude to be here with you. And I appreciate that you see me. You always see me.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

I do, my friend.

SPEAKER_00 3:57

I certainly have had plenty of life experiences that have involved small bits of undoing a little at a time, unbeknownst to me when that was happening. But you know, in thinking about the conversation for us today and something I thought would be relevant maybe to share with your listeners, is I think one of the big undoings that really started my journey to where I am now was having to leave a job that I really loved and I was very passionate about. And the process that I had to go through to make that decision and be able to be okay with that decision was really life-changing for me. And and definitely something that started to build up for me a resilience in having undoing happen multiple times between then and now and in the time to come.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

You and I were were just talking about that a little bit before we we got on the show about how it is a forever journey. Right. The undoing. And the becoming.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

And I think both require a level of resilience. The undoing is definitely the sort of the impetus to things, but there's also something about the opportunity for the becoming that we also have to build resilience to be able to accept.

SPEAKER_01 5:46

Yeah, I think it takes it on both sides, the breaking down or the undoing, and the bouncing back, the coming back.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

Yes, so true.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

Yeah. Well, take us there, this work transition in your life, the job change. What kind of led up to that?

SPEAKER_00 6:04

I had been working in some other jobs, and as a horse person, as you shared earlier, you and I do this work of leadership development with the horses. And so I trained horses professionally and earlier in my career and had a job that I really loved working at a horse farm. And I did that early on, and then I left that job for about 10 years, but I had the opportunity to return to this particular place to go back to training horses full-time. And I really felt like it was something that I needed to do for myself, and I really wanted to because I I have loved working with young horses. That was always my prime place to be. So I took that job and it was great. It was preparing me to be able to come in to do equine assisted learning work because I was getting to really work with a lot more horses and learn more from the horses. And so it was really my dream job. And in about 2010, I started my own business on the side. And prior to that, I had been also coaching riders. I was coaching competitive riders and teaching riding lessons. And so I was doing that, and it didn't seem to be a problem. But then somewhere along the line, things started to change in the environment there. So for about three years, it was a very difficult environment. The job itself, not a problem. I loved, I still loved doing what I was doing. And I started, though, feeling like the environment, the culture was becoming a little bit untenable for me. Suffice to say, though, that it started to become a situation where I was constantly being questioned about where I was, whether I was working. And I want you to keep in mind, when you work at a horse farm, it's not nine to five. It's a lot of hours. So it was just there were a lot of things that were happening that were making me feel a lot of stress. And so in 2013, I started having some health issues that at the time I wasn't associating. Probably I did somewhere in my head knew that it was associated with that, but I wasn't really acknowledging it. And but I had started to realize that I I thought it was maybe time for me to start looking for something else. So I did start looking for office jobs, going back to working in a corporate environment. And I had some interviews, and so I at least felt like there was probably a possibility that I could find another job. I didn't want to leave my job without having another job to go to because my business still was in its infancy. But there were there were two things that happened that really led me to finally having to acknowledge the situation and what I needed to do. And one of them involved me ending up in the hospital. And I thought I had a respiratory infection, and in fact, apparently my heartbeat was not operating properly.

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Wow.

SPEAKER_00 9:29

And through some exploration with the doctor, because my heart was fine physically, and what we came to realize is I had been under an immense amount of stress and the cortisol that was pumping through my body as a result had impacted the the rhythm of my heart. But I was in denial about it. I didn't want to acknowledge it. I questioned myself that it was, I was just, you know, I was just seeing things that weren't there. It couldn't possibly be the situation that I was telling myself that it was. But that incident of being in the hospital was pretty eye-opening. And it ended up leading to me starting to really look at what my next step was because I really realized that I needed to leave. One of my horses was actually the final say in that happening by bringing to attention that I was harboring a level of anger that I was reluctant to allow to be released because I think I was afraid that if it got released, that it wouldn't, I wouldn't be able to pull it back in. He let me know in his communication that this was not something that was healthy for me. And so I ended up resigning and I didn't have another job to go to like I had hoped. But I decided I was going to focus on my own business, my equine experiential learning business. But there was a process in all of that that I really had to go through accepting that things at the farm would survive without me. Not from an egotistical perspective, but the owner was pretty dependent on me and I didn't want to let her down. And so I had to go through some coaching with an executive coach to understand that things would probably be okay if I left. And also looking at what was best for me. A lot of that involved me having to really look at, you know, who I was, who did I believe myself to be. And I had to go through a lot of self-conversations around beliefs I had about letting people down. That was a really big thing for me to let go of.

SPEAKER_01 12:06

You know, I'm struck. You've landed here in this beautiful place of your self-conversations and what you were learning about who you are. It sounds like the body wisdom. I'm going back to your heart situation and landing in the hospital, and you had previously denied the internal tensions and stressors and seeing things the way you saw things, and then your heart literally spoke to you.

SPEAKER_00 12:34

Yeah, that was a really powerful experience for me to have. And it really brought to light for me, and probably was the beginning of a more drawn-out journey to some extent, of all the other things in my life that had impacted my heart, but I hadn't acknowledged it.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

Wow. You know, our body has a way of getting our attention. Right. And hearing your story about, you know, being in the hospital, it sounds like you didn't go to the point of actually having a heart attack. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_00 13:14

No, no. But I will tell you, I'd never experienced anything like that before. And I didn't even realize it was happening. I think that was one of the things that is so powerful to me. And I know I'm not the only person to have gone through this because of our own denial. And I think particularly as women, we tend to deny that there's that maybe something's going on. And I went to the urgent care to get checked for a respiratory infection because I'd been having some pressure kind of in my chest and just kind of feeling a little uncomfortable. And I had almost passed out a couple of times. Um, I think I'm just tired. I think it's probably nothing. And even when the doctor at the urgent care, he's listening to my heart, puts the stethoscope on, and and then he just looks at me and he says, Why are you here? And me being totally oblivious, and I'm, of course, my thinking, I'm like, you know why I'm here. I already gave all that information. Do you not read anything that people give you? Those are the things going through my mind. And I just said, I think I might have a respiratory infection. And then he just looks at me and he says, No, why are you here? And he points to the room where we are and he says, You need to be over there. And he points to the emergency room at the hospital, which is right next door. And me still oblivious. Like, I just looked at him and I said, Oh, okay. Well, do I need to go get a chest x-ray or something? And he looks at me and he says, God bless him. He says, No, you need to go to the emergency room right now. He said, Your heart is not beating correctly.

SPEAKER_01 15:08

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 15:09

And he says, I'm calling them right now. I want you to walk straight over there.

SPEAKER_01 15:14

Okay, her.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

And I'm walking over to the emergency room, and I am still just not comprehending what is happening. I walk in there, I go to the desk at the emergency room. Anyone who's listening has ever been to the emergency room for anything that remotely is related to your heart, it's a whole different ballgame than going in there for anything else. And so I go to the front desk, they like whisk me back into the emergency room. And I mean, within five minutes, I am on a bed, hooked up to ever all the cardiac stuff. And I am still trying to understand what's happening at this point in time. The doctor comes and tells me what's going on, said, Well, we're going to keep you overnight and do an ultrasound of your heart and just make sure everything, you know, physically is okay. And then it starts to hit me. Early the next morning, the hospitalist came in to see me and he was incredibly kind. He said, Your heart physically is fine. He goes, Everything is normal, which is great. And he said, But I do want to talk to you about the situation. He ended up talking to me for it, it was probably close to two hours. And the entire conversation was around my experience with trauma and had started out with him asking me if there was anything going on currently in my life that was stressful. You know, it's funny as my instinct would have been to say, no, it's not nothing more than anybody else. And this doctor was a trauma-informed doctor. And so he was very knowledgeable about the impact of childhood trauma as well as into adulthood and the impact that has on the body. And I think that was probably the first real realization for me that my body had been carrying a lot of trauma. And this whole stress situation that had been happening in my job, my body just finally was like, listen, girl, I cannot carry this anymore by myself.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:30

And so that was really the starting point to me being cognizant of what I was asking my body to do for me by me not addressing the things that were going on.

SPEAKER_01 17:46

So it was an awakening, like none before, it sounds like.

SPEAKER_00 17:50

Oh, you know it. Nothing will wake you up like being swooped into the emergency room for f I'm just telling you your heart's not doing the right way it's supposed to.

SPEAKER_01 18:01

Like it is a huge wake-up call.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 18:05

Got your attention.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

Without a doubt.

SPEAKER_01 18:07

I think that when you are in the lane that you were, you're just moving along in your life, all the things of life. And you're so squarely planted in that that it takes something so significant like this to get our attention to wake up. And even I'm just noting the the points of your story of you were in the urgent care and the doctor was like two and three and four times. Why are you here? No, you shouldn't be here. You're like, what? Huh? What what do you mean? Didn't you read my form? Just the multiple touch points that it takes.

SPEAKER_00 18:45

It's a smack upside the head.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

You mentioned a second thing that I'm curious about, and I think our listeners might be interested in too. Is you said you had this so your heart literally spoke to you and you had a horse. You had some information coming from a horse that got your attention. Can you say a little more about that?

SPEAKER_00 19:10

Following the incident in the hospital, that was in April of 2023, and it was probably a month later. I was trying at that point now to figure out my actual game plan because the whole stint in the hospital was definitely that was like a real wake-up call. And my husband was also very concerned, obviously. And he knew, right? Because he had to listen to me all the time when it came home from work. And the hospital situation also was something that for him, he said to me, You need to do something. You can't keep you can't keep doing this to yourself. I started talking to an executive coach and going through that process, but I still was challenged with acknowledging what I was feeling. It wasn't just the anger, because anger is a secondary emotion, right? And I I was really just for some reason, I still was not willing to acknowledge just what I was feeling. And so I was out with my one of my horses who is masterful. We were out in our my little arena, it was evening, and I was walking and I was kind of talking to myself and trying to sort through some things. And he comes over to me and he reached down with his with his his incisors and he grabbed the skin that's right in between the thumb, my thumb and my forefinger. And and everyone knows that is a that's actually pretty sensitive, that skin there. It's like a flap of skin, right? He grabbed it in his teeth, and it wasn't something he was doing to try to harm me. He just ever so gently took a hold of that and just held it in his teeth. And whoa. I know it was painful, but I didn't react to the pain. It took a minute.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

Well, that seems such an odd thing, too. It's like, what's happening?

SPEAKER_00 21:29

Finally, literally, it was probably at least a minute before I had this wake-up jolt of pain because he just kept holding on to it.

SPEAKER_01 21:41

He's not letting go because he needs to get your attention.

SPEAKER_00 21:43

He's trying to get my attention about something. And finally, the pain is so intense now. It's this point where I finally react to it. And I start to pull my hand away, which I don't want to do fast because he May not let go. I move his face away from me and I'm like, ow, that effing hurts. But I felt this release. And at first I was so upset, but then I started to cry, but I also started to be really mad. But I wasn't mad at him. That was the moment I realized he was trying to get me to just acknowledge what I was actually feeling. And I was feeling hurt and I was feeling angry. So then I just started walking around the round pen, kicking a I have a ball out there that I used for clients to kick around if they needed to. And as I was walking and kicking the ball, I was emoting everything I had been holding on to. That that spot, that spot on your hand in Eastern medicine is a letting go spot.

SPEAKER_01 22:56

Oh, you're kidding me.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

They will put a needle in there when someone needs to let go of something.

SPEAKER_01 23:01

Oh my goodness. I'm just sitting with the the horse, and I mean that just seems such an unusual thing for that to happen and went precisely to that spot. Is that something horses do? Do they go right to the spot?

SPEAKER_00 23:18

It's not uncommon. And this horse in particular, he was masterful at reading people. He could tell when you were experiencing whether if you were experiencing pain, he could go to that spot. And also when there was something that someone is holding on to emotionally, then yes, he would go to some spot that somehow was connected to what someone needed to let go of.

SPEAKER_01 23:47

You know, I think I was expecting you to tell me he put his head down to your heart with you just sharing about your heart, but no, he went right to the spot, a part in your body that's about letting go. And it sounds like that enabled such a release in you that it was pain. I mean, it was in fact painful what he was doing and so insightful, and that it's enabled an increased awareness of what was happening, what your environment, the environment you were experiencing, and that yeah, that helped you in your letting go.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

Absolutely, because my heart couldn't heal completely until I let go of those things.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

And I mean, you're you are so much more entrenched in the the equine work than I am, but that that's why I do some work in that space today is because of the impact I've had. I I say to people, I learned more about my energy in working with a horse for 20 minutes one-on-one than I've learned in all the leadership development programs I've been in across my career. Feedback in 20 minutes and I've never seen myself the same way. Like I understand so much more about my energy and how I show up in a room, in a relationship, with a horse, anywhere, and how to moderate that energy. And so here you are in this moment in your life, and you're getting these two very significant messages within, I think you said a month of each other. Mm-hmm. And you listened.

SPEAKER_00 25:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:49

Yes. Those two things got your attention in a way that hadn't before. You were ready.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

And you know, in thinking about the process that we need to go through for growth, you know, we want to avoid those painful things. And we don't want to acknowledge the trauma because to some extent, sometimes we're told not to, or sometimes we're told to just move on. Don't worry, you know, don't worry about it now. And so we listen to that, but we also know in our heart of hearts that it doesn't go away because when we experience those things, especially when we experience it earlier on in life, but anytime that we experience trauma, it doesn't go away. And it is so true. And so I am grateful that my body spoke up for what it needed. And that was a beginning for me of promising my body that I would never not listen to it again.

SPEAKER_01 27:00

It's a beautiful promise to make, an important one.

SPEAKER_00 27:04

I think about this idea of having to go through an undoing process, right? Which at the premise of this awesome podcast, is that we can't go through that process if we aren't willing to acknowledge what is causing it to happen. So as painful as it was for me to go as scary, that was very scary going through that whole thing in the hospital, and then having to go through that whole process of looking at myself and starting to understand that some of the ways that I was living in my own story weren't helpful to me. And so even though those were comfortable from the perspective of being familiar stories about myself, I really had to take them apart and look at them very clearly and say, is this helpful to me? Is this belief that I have about myself helpful to me? And I prided myself on being very loyal as an employee in particular, but also as a friend and being very dependable, always willing to accommodate other people, willing to change my plans. I did that all the time at my job. So having to go through that process of looking at all of those things and seeing that those were things I was doing to try and be someone, maybe that I wasn't. Not that I'm not loyal and dependable, but it was so important to me that other people felt like I was important to them and that I would never let them down. I think that's the big piece. That was the hardest thing for me in making the decision to leave that job was I really had to struggle through that story that I had about myself of letting people other people down. And that story went way, way back in my life.

SPEAKER_01 29:16

You said when you had these awakening events that it started that reflection and you learned that about yourself, about that difficulty around letting people down. And what helped you, you know, to address something like that and to know that it is so deeply ingrained in your life as you just we're talking about it goes way, way back. It requires finding something new inside yourself in order to go there, in order to address it, in order to rewrite it. What comes up for you around that?

SPEAKER_00 29:51

You're spot on. It entails you writing a new story about yourself. And what's interesting is when you start writing the new story, you start realizing that the new story is actually way more accurate.

SPEAKER_01 30:06

What does that mean for you around this particular thing?

SPEAKER_00 30:09

Yeah. I think as I left that job and that role, it allowed me to accept that I had value outside of pleasing other people.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

That sounds huge.

SPEAKER_00 30:30

I mean, it took some time, trust me. This this wasn't something, oh good, okay, now I'm done. I'm just gonna now I can just keep going. What it did though is it it provided me with the opportunity to then as I moved forward, trying to find my way and building my business and figuring out how to survive, that every time I started to notice that I might be doing something that wasn't good for me, but somebody else might feel like it was good for them, I I started to notice it. And it was my body. My body would let me know. My body would tell me, like I would get a gut feeling about something, and I started to just trust my gut. There were times I would still I would get the gut feeling about something, and then I would say, maybe I'm overreacting.

SPEAKER_01 31:29

It's so easy to do that.

SPEAKER_00 31:31

That experience of everything I went through leading up to me, making the decision to leave that job, and then being able to navigate through the years after that, there were some difficult times as I was trying to figure out getting my business going, but it changed the way that I saw myself. And so as other things happened, and Jeannie, you know that I I lost, we lost our house in a fire seven years ago. At the end of this month is actually seven years, and it was extremely traumatic and complete loss of our home. And and that is a life-changing experience.

SPEAKER_01 32:17

I can't imagine.

SPEAKER_00 32:18

And and coming through that, I was so grateful that I always listened to my body in the months after that of having to navigate through all of that.

SPEAKER_01 32:32

You know, I'm hearing the the word recognition is coming up, and I'm just gonna name it because it keeps rolling up for me or rising up for me. Recognition and once you see things, you can't unsee them. Right. Once you see ways, patterns, beliefs in yourself, and then you speak of them coming up, and you can you're you're at a choice point. You can dismiss it, you can minimize it, you could choose not to be with it in the moment, but you're noticing there's this recognition. And I think uh there's something that comes with that is a greater self-knowing. And I'm hearing you with what you're sharing today about yourself, about these events in your life revealing more about who you are, your true self, and also revealing to you what's next in your path, the step, even if it's only the next step that you know.

SPEAKER_00 33:28

Yeah, I think it's the noticing, because the situation of me being in the hospital wasn't something that just happened that day. There had been a couple of weeks that I hadn't been feeling well, and I had noticed these things happening, but I didn't really notice them. And so going forward, being able to notice things and like you said, recognize that it means something, it's some kind of information that needs your attention. And now I am so much more attuned to my thinking and my body, so that as I encounter situations, which I continue to do, that are things that make me have to question my own narratives about myself. Now I have this knowing about myself that I can recognize what's happening, I recognize why it's happening, and I can then explore it and decide: is this true or is this not true? And what do I do with this information? But by constantly looking forward and just questioning what I was experiencing and exploring it and being curious about why it was happening.

SPEAKER_01 34:55

That's huge. That whole orientation to life around curiosity. We're getting all this information all the time, and you're speaking of it, you know, about the challenges in the job and the information from your body and from your horse. And we can choose, we get to choose what to do.

SPEAKER_00 35:15

That that's that's the opportunity to live.

SPEAKER_01 35:20

And that it does matter, and if we attune to it, how it helps us tap into our purpose and the impact and the gifts that we can give the world. And it seems what keeps us from that sometimes is it seems like it's a selfish thing to do.

SPEAKER_00 35:36

That was the biggest hurdle for me when I was leaving that job, and on several other occasions of life experiences since that time. Is it me being selfish or am I actually practicing self-care?

SPEAKER_01 35:50

Right. And I call it I when I wrote my book a few years ago, and you and I've talked about this before, it's I like to call it self-ful. Yes. And part of that is my own upbringing around the word selfish. Um how I was told so often by my parents, don't be selfish. And so I don't I don't like that word. Me either. But I think there is a need for focus on self and self-ful, and we have to be our best self in order to support others and the loyalty that you mentioned, being dependable, and in order to serve others, we have to start with ourselves. That can be such a difficult thing to do for anyone, but I I think especially for women. I hear that a lot in my work with the the coaching idea of women leaders.

SPEAKER_00 36:40

Yes. Yeah. But we can do it.

SPEAKER_01 36:44

I'm so thankful for that for you, and that you noticed and you acted on that because I love having you in my life, and who knows what would have happened. And you know, you've shared too that just because we arrive at this place and we have this awakening and this newfound awareness, it's not like check, okay. I'm I here I am, I'm done. Here's another life experience to to deepen the learning.

SPEAKER_00 37:12

It is, and where we always have the opportunity.

SPEAKER_01 37:16

Yeah. And why this is called undoing and not undone.

SPEAKER_00 37:21

I think that says it right there. That's why it's not called the undone podcast.

SPEAKER_01 37:26

The forever journey. Jenny, thank you so much for being with me today on undoing. It's been a pleasure.

SPEAKER_00 37:34

Thank you so much, Jeannie. I I I just love being in our conversations and being able to take some time to reflect on my own undoing journey and and where it's brought me. And I mean, obviously, there's lots of experiences I wish didn't happen. And also I I really do understand that all of the things, all of the experiences I've had like everyone else, are what have brought me to where I am and and provided me with the ability to be resilient enough to keep undoing.

SPEAKER_01 38:10

Yeah. It takes it on both ends, the undoing and the becoming. The threads that you know, what's rising most for me right now, if I have a couple of nuggets of this beautiful interview and story, it's about that attunement, that noticing, and that body wisdom, and really listening to that and and then taking action on it, which requires so much courage. The easy thing often is to stay the course, and that's not what you did. And you do it time and time again, at least in my observation, in our work together, in our friendship together. So uh thank you for offering your wisdom to our listeners today. Hey, as we close, I have one thing I'd like to ask you. What's one thing you could do now, like today, that would get you closer to living the life you most want to live?

SPEAKER_00 39:07

I think it's interesting, just as there's some things happening right now. I'm going through an undoing process actually in this time. And I think it's a matter of something something that I can do and I am doing actually today is providing myself with an opportunity to take a pause and to not get myself over stimulated by a lot of what-ifs, but to stop and be like my horses and be comfortable with not knowing what might be happening next, and to just be okay in that moment. And so that that's my to-do today.

SPEAKER_01 39:54

To be comfortable in the not knowing and to take a pause.

SPEAKER_00 39:57

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 39:59

That's beautiful. Thanks for leaving us with that, Jenny.

SPEAKER_00 40:02

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 40:03

Hey, where can people find you if they want to stay connected with you and your work?

SPEAKER_00 40:08

I'm always happy to connect with people on LinkedIn. Just look me up, Jenny Tolego, or the Collaboration Partners and my website, the CollaborationPartners.com. And you can also follow the Collaboration Partners on LinkedIn.

SPEAKER_01 40:22

Right. That's where to find Jenny Tolego, everyone. Thank you. Thank you for joining me on Undoing. I hope today's episode offered you a moment of recognition, resonance, or relief. Something that reminds you that you're not alone in your journey. This is an opportunity to tune into your inner wisdom and open to what's wanting to emerge. If you're enjoying this podcast, please share it with a friend or colleague, leave a review, and follow the show. Until next time, what's the undoing that needs to happen in you?